to obama. that's crazy. the one tax break most middle-income families in this country can get unlike everything that's available to the wealthy and the spk lay or thes and everybody else is their mortgage interest deduction. i'm going to fight to keep that. >> congressman peter defazio, thank you very much. great to have you on the program. >> thank you. >> gentlemen, let me go back to this whole idea of the impact beyond the real numbers, just, you know, analysis of what it might mean financially, because there are several also pekts of going off the fiscal cliff. obviously those economic implications. but if this drags on, clarence, into the new year and beyond, could it have serious implications for the president's second-term agenda, stalling other initiatives until these issues can be worked out? >> i think on the democratic side there's a lot of confidence that every time congress has gone over the cliff before, if you will, look at the government shutdowns in the '90s, for example, it's actually played well for the president. in that case it was president clinton. now we have
